You werent willing to provide a simple answer to my question about why Paul wasnt healed. Youre judging me, putting your spin on what Im saying. And as Im reading your comments. Unfortunately for him and the many thousands (or millions) who hear him teach, sincerity is largely irrelevant. The Father sends the Holy Spirit after Jesus goes back to Him, and so on. There are plenty of us out there. Im glad theyre alive, but that doesnt turn their rapists into benefactors. Thats the issue as far as I am concerned. The Father existed, and the Son existed, and the Holy Spirit existed, before anything was created. He is of white ethnicity who sat down with another Elevation pastor named John Gray, who is of black ethnicity, to have a discussion on racism. He made them all go outside. Right, I also hope youll take all of this in the spirit in which it was written, as truly iron does sharpen iron, as our Great brother Paul said, for we know in part. I'm Annoyed. As with Marvel movies, theres a bit after the credits too. I used to love Steven Furtick but now I see he is up there with Joel Osteen and all the other greasy guys. He draws us to Himself. He could pass any minute, or it could be days. Does he teach the importance of obedience, Does he teach how important it is to get sin out of your life, Does he teach you how to build a close personal relationship with Jesus Christ. With respect, I dont really care if you feel things are unequal between me and those who comment on my website. Pastor Steven Furtick. Nickname: Stevens Furtick Gender: Male Date of birth: 19th February 1980 Birth sign: Pisces Place of birth: Moncks Corner, South Carolina, U.S. Age: 41 years old (as of 2021) Nationality: American Ethnicity: White Eye colour: Black Hair colour: Black Weight: 72 kg Height: 5 feet 9 inches Sexual orientation: Straight Religion: Christianity So, to recap what you said; While its true that our faith can prompt God to act, our lack of faith cannot prevent Him from acting if He wants to. When you find where God wants you, it will be satisfying and rewarding and frustrating and youll need patience and grace and perseverance because the church is filled with broken people who are in the middle of being put back together. They did bad things, and no amount of awesomeness in the lives of their children can turn their crimes into blessings. One of the main issues that cause both false teaching and teaching in error is reading verses out of context. These where mass healings, revealing his power, but there were others who had to seek and ask. The word Sought covers a lot of ground. Who knows? On that, modalists agree with the Bible. For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. I dont say that to say that Im right, but to point to the objective fact that what Furtick teaches, and what youve repeated, simply contradicts Scripture. So #1 is debunked. Gamaliel didnt know whether this new sect of Jesus-followers was from God or not. MANY are quietly doing exactly that: being used by God to grow His kingdom. I wonder how many on this forum have a biblical salvation experience ? But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that comes to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Hebrews 11:6. Eternal security, tongues, Can we still fellowship without compromising our beliefs. However, I stand in agreement about Modalism. Is that the standard we find in the New Testament? The problem is having volunteers appear to be regular attendees who are eager to be baptized. The coffee bar, the band with the weird hair and weird clothes, the power point presentations to accompany the message. When Christians talk about Jesus, they acknowledge that He is God. Ill ask you straight out: do you believe that your own lack of faith in God PREVENTS HIM from anything at all? You wrote, It was those who had faith that received from God that day! First, it must be said that the text does not give us that information. Frankly, I doubt it. Wommack, as you point out, teaches that we can limit God. That doesnt mean that people cant be confused by what God does the Bible is full of that. We absolutely do know, should know, can know. Something in me feels disgusted over the modern day church. Id love to sit down with Steven Furtick. Thousands have responded to the news of the elder Furtick's passing by writing to the pastor via social media simple messages like "love and prayers," as did LifeChurch.tv Pastor Craig Groeschel. It is false to teach that God is a multiple personality being. True he draws us to himself (hearing the Gospel, as there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved), but it takes two steps for salvation as it is (by grace), but it also takes the second part (through faith) Ephesians 2:8. Salvation IS a huge deal but if our only concern was salvation, we wouldnt need most of the New Testament. As for Furtick saying; God is a molecular structure that fills all in all in all, and that thats what it means to say that Christ was from the beginning? God is spirit. I have no doubt you and I would agree on virtually everything, given the opportunity to talk at length. Finally, the idea that God fills all in all isnt simply unbiblical. For Death and life are in the power of the tongue. Proverbs 18:21. The problem isnt that Furtick baptizes converts to Christianity. THAT is the purpose of this article: to help people understand that Steven Furtick is not a trustworthy teacher of Scripture. Ignite God's Vision for Your Life, to his father, writing: "The start you were handed wasn't much, but you worked what you had. If Jesus (the Son) is only the form that God took to carry out functions for man, why did the Son exist before man did? But that miracle, that blessing is then construed as Gods approval of the sin that brought it about. This too goes beyond Scripture to the point of contradicting Jesus words. If eternal life matters (and it does), then teaching and preaching the truth about God matters. It seems reasonable to conclude that Jesus healed some because they had faith and wanted to be healed, and didnt heal others because they lacked faith. In the meantime, let me know how I can help. As he says of lack of faith; So that if mighty works be not wrought in us, it is not for want of power or grace in Christ, but for want of faith in us Good question. Its all over the Gospels, for God is no respecter of persons Acts 10:34, as He only respects faith, Matthew 9:29. His father 's name is Larry Stevens Furtick and his mother, Faith Furtick. But, seeing that you have an aversion to faith folks, you are not going to relent. Jesus wasnt blocked. I know that his command leads to eternal life. Elevation Church What ethnicity is Steven Furtick?-----Our mission is informing people correctly. I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. The Father wasnt speaking. I hope you wont be discouraged by what Ive written, and I hope youll accept the challenge to dig into Gods Word to see the truth for yourself. When people teach things that contradict Scripture, thats bad right? Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens. Here are a few other special cases that people try to plead: Its clear that you feel comfortable suggesting that the apostle Paul knew less about following Jesus than you do. Our bodies are the temples of God because the Holy Spirit dwells in believers. Thats both unbiblical and ridiculous. A man goes to heaven by putting his faith in Jesus and Jesus alone . Hi there! Jakes, who teaches the heresy of modalism (see below). God, in, I know that you can do all things; no purpose of yours can be thwarted. Do your own homework. Darnell Jonas spent his weekend in the black churches where he said there are only black.. Pastor Steven Furtick. Yes. For example, if the ancient Israelites obeyed the terms of the old covenant, He would bless them. Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions. We want to understand the context of this passage before we even think about applying it. I work to be brief, but sometimes serving the people who ask legit questions takes extra space. Each of those analogies falls apart at some point, and fails to adequately explain what God is like. What do you do when someone asks you whether a teacher is reliable or unreliable? I dont know that anyone has everything right, yet the gospel IS preached again and again. Technically, we call it apocalyptic literature, which tells the future using symbolism. Even Facebook has something like an 8,000 word limit. No, that is most definitely NOT what Jesus said. What ethnicity is Steven Furtick? Certainly Gods actions are, at times, conditional. Heres what we know from the passage itself, from history, and simple logic: Because Revelation is usually the last book in the compilation of books we call the New Testament, we have a natural tendency to see it as the summation of what came before. Named one of his sons Graham after Charlotte-born evangelist Billy Graham. Jesus cannot override someones unbelief. Buddhists will talk about becoming one with everything by losing your self-identity. That means that tritheism (three gods) is false. Finally: we who follow Jesus should not consider false teachers our enemies. There are three main ideas in this doctrine. Nazarite vows are a special case. Thanks for asking. I think its important, on several levels. The context here makes it clear that Jesus was referring to the prophecies in Revelation. God has given us great promises in His Word, including promises of health and wholeness, as Jesus died on the cross to redeem us from sin and sickness. He was able to. You have to get past looking at your sickness and thinking about your sickness, and you have to start seeing yourself well. But that you may know that the Son of man has power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up your bed, and go unto your house. Matthew 9:5,6. Let me ask you a question. Christ in you, the hope of glory Colossians 1:27 From start to finish, this is wrong. Rather than telling Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach, he would have undoubtedly written that the young pastor needed to appropriate Gods healing by faith and manifest it in the physical through positive confession. The text gives no indication that it might apply to any other writing by any other author. Not trapped in their perspective.? 4044). Tony, I know you dont need a cheering section or anything, but I cant help it when you make points I have been saying for years. How many times have we heard a sermon like this from Furtick, or Joel Osteen, or Kenneth Copeland? She added, "We love you Ltrain.". This is false and ridiculous. Our mindset is important, but we need to be transformed by the renewing of our minds. When pressed, however, the illogic is strong like saying that God, as the Son, prayed to Himself, sort of. God can and does use faithful people, unfaithful people, and even wicked people for His own purposes. Did Father God forget to send out a memo that these responsibilities have been passed down to you? 9:23,24. Ask yourself, who was Jesus constantly praying to, himself? Put more simply, there is one God who is eternally and distinctly three persons. 2. As for healing, heres some of what false teacher Andrew Wommack says and none of it matches what we see in the Bible: Unfortunately, thats a big fat NOPE. We were at a point where we were debating if we wanted a divorce every few months. And my God will convict you let you know the word is right or the word is wrong.. That is why we have the Holy Spirit when you discern what is right in the world and what is wrong in the world you are led by the spirit of God I disagree with you I believe that you are wrong doctor you are a fake preacher you should not get on this Social Media stuff and tell people things that you really dont know. Steven Furtick is an American pastor, Gospel preacher, songwriter, and author. If God made a Law and then broke it, the Law is not based on His unchanging character but on His circumstances. Modalism has been considered heretical by the entire Body of Christ for almost 2000 years, so its not as if its a new idea. You have no idea whether Im envious of Steven Furtick (Im not). The misconception I encounter is that His fulfillment of the law means it no longer applies. Is that what Christianity is being saved? That does NOT mean that its okay to add to, or to take away from, ANY passage of Scripture. What do you think? Just what is the criteria in establishing if someone is a false teacher. Go find them! Every word that came out of His mouth was the Father speaking. It literally means He came out from my inside the Father. Yet, is Furtick teaching heresy, for this is what John was saying; For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7. There are a number of very serious problems with Furticks teaching on this. GodWords isnt really about me, so theres not much but you can find some info in the About GodWords pages, and my personal Facebook and Twitter accounts are linked at the top of every page. As there has never been, nor ever will be any man that (past, present, future) has ever received such abundance of revelations, so that there can never really be any comparison. Christs sacrifice fulfilled the sacrificial requirement of the law -on behalf of His elect- (dashes for emphasis, I dont know how to italicize in this chat box). For example: in the passage above, where Jesus is in His hometown, we should read what the text says and learn from what it says. I understand you want to have the final say in discussions, but let me share this last thought, then you can put me in my place, so to speak. God is Spirit and we who worship him must worship him in Spirit and TRUTH (John 4:24), so, no, dont agree with Steven Furtick. The same goes for non-Christian teachings from Word of Faith folks and NAR folks. Anyone who welcomes a false teacher shares in their wicked work, right? I wonder, Joann: who do you think I should listen to? It is very helpful. I have had an on again, off again relationship with my faith throughout the years. It is interesting to see how many people assert a defense that if you question anything about someone else, youre judging, and furthermore, the assertion that judging is unbiblical. Winded. Myles Munroe is a good example, and you can see that. Trinity is somewhat difficult to understand. Furtick is a pastor for the Elevation Church and owns a property with his wife of 8,400 square feet in Waxhaw, NC. Jeremiah, in, I am the Lord, the God of all mankind. Thank you and God bless you. This passage carries with it two specific kinds of punishments: plagues for those who add to it, and eternal condemnation for those who take away from it. I do sincerely appreciate you taking the time to write. Gentleness and respect (1 Peter 3:15) is important. COULD JESUS HAVE HEALED THEM IN SPITE OF THEIR LACK OF FAITH, OR ARE HUMANS ABLE TO STOP GOD FROM DOING WHAT HE WANTS TO DO? Needs a dose of 1 Peter 5:5, as we all must! The doctrine of the Trinity comes from the Bible. Is that the language of the kingdom? If they disobeyed, He would curse them. The little gods doctrine is, quite simply, heresy. Does he believe Jesus is the only way to heaven ? It was those who had faith that received from God that day! The Word of Faith movement, for example, tends to place the blame on weak faith whenever a person is not healed of a disease. John Rice associated with some he didnt agree with as long as they professed Christ as Savior. May God save his soul if he doesnt know Christ and may God give His children eyes to see and ears to hear. Will you do yours? Thank you for sharing this. Youve already agreed that God is not limited by a persons lack of faith. Gods INABILITY is a bad explanation. And, I am sure you could have hit a few more points and added many more examples. This is good stuff, my friend. Steven Furtick is an excellent communicator. Jesus decisions about who to heal could have had several reasons or hundreds, or thousands behind them. 1. Itll only take a moment: why was Paul never healed? Right, John 5 speaks to Jesus ministry, doing his Father work verse 17, again in Acts 10:38, going about healing all who were oppressed of the devil . If you throw the ball, you are not the ball. Steven Furtick House Your email address will not be published. For that, Im grateful. See what I mean? When Paul wrote that he was glad that the gospel was being preached, he pointed to the fact that the gospel was being preached for personal gain. Changing the verse from did not to could not allows Furtick to make claims about our own belief that arent found in Scripture. Unbelief in Nazareth somehow kept Christ from doing all that He could. I heard a bible teacher say once, that we should let the scripture interpret scripture, as it does a better job. Singular: just like in English, the number of subjects that the verb applies to. My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working. Trinity By most people's standards, Furtick is a major success. There are plenty of Scriptures about not rejecting other believers simply because they dont yet understand all that Jesus taught. Paul didnt speak faith-filled words to manifest in the physical the reality that he had already been healed in the spiritual. My wife and mother in law are both very attached to Steven Furtick and Ive tried to tell them about modalism and other things he says but they always interpret it to mean something else. They give a more complete picture of the events, and provide more accurate meanings. May I share a harsh scripture that not only you, but all of us, may need to consider, Acts 5:38,39. I dont feel attacked by you. Thats what it means to say that Christ was from the beginning. What do you do when confronted with false teachers? So you dont believe that God is a molecular structure. Clear and simply put. True, and I hope you dont think I agree totally with Furtick, as they are not the same, but rather one, a big difference! The American writer is married to Steven Furtick, who is the founder and pastor of Elevation Church. Besides, Steven is the initiator and . Elevation Church as well as Pastor Furtick had been updating congregants and supporters throughout the week, and the Christian minister disclosed Wednesday afternoon that family and close friends had been gathered at the elder Furtick's bedside and would appreciate continued prayers. Ive had to NOT put some of my favorite songs on the website because I found that they were made by worship ministers at Joel Osteens church, or wherever. Future tense: just like in English, points to an event that will, or might, happen in the future. I is the first person, You is the second person, They is the third person. Pastor Steven Furtick is the founder and lead pastor of Elevation Church based in Charlotte, NC. Can you admit to that! Let me know if you have any questions. Its a waste of your time and mine. In our natural state, we want nothing to do with God. Furtick should know better, and you shouldnt parrot ideas about the Bible that you havent actually looked up. Furtick is saying that God stopped being the Father and became a man (Jesus). See for yourself what the Bible says. What ethnicity is Steven Furtick? Steven Furtick/Elevation/Elevation MusicNot Recommended. I didnt cite the judgment part because I think he goes too far. Unfortunately, thats not the case with everyone. Just as a manipulating womanizer can say true things, false teachers can be kind, sincere, morally upright people. Please, I beg you: do your homework. Of course it does its all over the gospels, right, so which is it? Jakes (prosperity gospel, New Apostolic Reformation, modalism, proponent of women "pastors") his mentor, yokes with numerous false teachers, allows women and false teachers to preach at his "church". Consequently, Jesus could give no further confirmation of His identity that they would accept. We can know they are three distinct persons, as indicted in this conversation; Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: Genesis 1:26. It seems weve already agreed that Furtick went too far when he claimed that Jesus COULD NOT perform a miracle because of someones unbelief. Jesus was not judging them, they were judging themselves, self incriminating (thus not getting anything, James 1:4) for as, per John 3:18. Dont even listen to yourself! Thousands have responded to the news of the elder Furtick's passing by writing to the pastor via social media simple messages like "love and prayers," as did LifeChurch.tv Pastor Craig Groeschel. He had a physical ailment that was never healed. You seem to think that the power is in US that speaking those words is what saves us. THAT is where people who follow Jesus should get their information, and THAT is where all theology should begin. The reportedly sermon served as the inspiration for a Facebook post that was subsequently taken down, yet screen screenshots of the . Second, we know that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Ive listened to some of his sermons, and actually been blessed. Dont bother commenting or emailing me about how Im just wrong. If God broke the Law, justice has not been done. Steven Furtick either teaches false things, or he does not. Thanks for writing! As for helping your father, that can be tough. Thats the reason that so many of the warnings in the New Testament say to not be deceived: to avoid that, we must know the gospel. Thank you for your kind words. Dont let brother Tony, whoever he is, hurt your feelings. We must be careful to consider the cost when publically denouncing a man as a false teacher. And theres one thing that even Jesus cant do. The Father is spirit. False teachers often try to make us read the Bible to see how God is trying to bless us. [21] Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, [22] And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. Heres the point: the text does not say that Jesus ability to work miracles was in connection with, or in proportion to, or directly dependent on their state of mind. First, Ive confirmed your subscription to this comment thread. I want to be discerning. When false teachers do it, they compound their misquotations with false theology doubling down on irresponsibility with more irresponsibility. Both tritheism and modalism are false simply because they contradict Scripture. According to Furtick, Jesus had the ability and the desire to do more, but the power of God was trapped in their perspective.. If our lack of faith prevented Him from acting, then nobody could be saved ever. I appreciate the fact that you did your homework! So I agree and hope God reveals the truth to him. God has existed in relationship with Himself for all eternity. Id love to hear how it goes, Mary! Im not chastising you, but making a point for all to see that the text is our source, and our interpretations should be entirely dependent on the text. Youre right Steven Furtick doesnt seem like a womanizer or a manipulator. If you think I shouldnt be writing about false teachers, what do you think I should do instead? First: the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are properly understood as God. 13th April 2020. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him. You said: I teach this very plainly: bad things are always bad, and never good.. Im sorry that you and I disagree on this, my friend but my position is not my own. So many are just so full of an arrogant and jealous spirit that it deters away from the truth they are giving. Youre right when you say Im not more important than you are. God is not limited by creation, but is above creation, transcends creation. But, remember that everything we receive of God is by faith (Romans 5:2), through faith (Ephesians 2:8), as we know, without faith it is impossible to please Godand Matthew 13:58 is indicative of this. You sound angry. God cannot sin. why would you call me irresponsible? But right, Paul was not so special a case that he would be the only one God dealt with weakness, but his special case was because of abundance of revelations, and not for the reason of sin, like David revealed; Before I was afflicted I went astray: but now have I kept thy word. Psalm 119:67. From Scripture, we know that there is only ONE God. For example: Jehovahs Witnesses may glorify Jesus, but not the Jesus described in the Bible. Theyre very explanatory. Lets all open our Bibles and compare what we believe with what God has said, and adjust our beliefs accordingly. Very well explained. It is estimated to cost more than $1.7 million. Steven was born in Moncks Corner, South Carolina on February 19, 1980. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. For if you do these things, you will never stumble, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

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